both of them showed a lot more energy than barack obama did last week. >> howie, it's ryan. listen. in that clip, the thing i thought was interesting about this debate is jon stewart, it seems to me he's sort of grown into a more of -- less of a comedian and more of a pundit role in the last couple years. his thing was always that you can't really hold him responsible for his views because he's skritrictly a comedian. he would laugh about the fact he's on comedy central, this low budget cable channel. there he is talking about what he would do about health care. do you think this guy has sort of -- there's an evolution here going on with stewart? >> absolutely. i've been watching that evolution for years. you'll remember he had the million moderate march or whatever it was called down on the mall here in dc a couple years ago. he wants to be taken seriously. he's a very sharp critic. not just of those of us in the media who sometimes get stung by what he has to say. but of the political scene. and i think as you watch him on "the daily show," yes, he is a very cogent comic. but more